April 2020 Q&A – Where are high end Ryzen 4000 laptops? Intel 10th gen or Ryzen 4000 for Gaming?
So the first question is rising 4000 laptop won't be released until mid August or July or maybe June. Should I wait for it or buy i7 9th gen, or maybe i7 10 758 series laptop in the end? It comes down to whether or not you need something right now all you're happy to wait and see what comes along. At the same time, you don't want to fall into the trap of constantly waiting, there's, always going to be something you just around the corner. So if you need something now I'd say by now, based on the information available and what products are you know around in your country that you can afford that, do what you need. Otherwise, I think a lot of the like new Intel laptops are coming out. Sort of May period, but yeah it depends on region or country you're in you, don't actually specify here but yeah. In the end, it comes down to whether or not you want something now or you want to wait and see what what happens in terms of like gaming performance with rise inverse Intel. I haven't had a chance to test that failing myself, but from what I've seen it doesn't actually look like it's going to be too big of a difference outside of gaming, though it looks like raisin 4000 is a pretty clear winner all around when it comes to, Like multi core and even single core performance, so yeah, it also depends on what you want to use it for and whether or not you want weight reveal your face.
Please. The next question is reposting laptop worth it. How often should I change thermal paste in my laptop, so don't actually have a good answer to that, but what I would personally do is, I would just monitor the temperatures and over time see if that changes, so maybe up to six months, twelve months, if I'm, Starting to see significantly high temperatures, then I might start to think I should probably you know, swap the paste, but other than that it depends on like the paste quality. You know if you used a terrible paste and it's dried up fast, then you might need to replace it sooner than a higher quality paste. So there are definitely variables, but in the end I would just look at the thermals that your machines actually producing, and I decide based on that, whether or not I wanted to change it or not. Why aren't we seeing any Nvidia Super Max P, pallid laptops? All we got is max few models so far so I'm, not sure if this is a question about paired with Intel or Rison. I guess at the moment there isn't really any that now that I think about it. So yeah good point don't, really not from what I've seen a lot of companies like is Seuss and MSI. I think they're targeting Mae. You know that could change virus issues and all that, but uh yeah not actually sure where they are. I don't currently have any everything.
I'Ve got so far has been max q, so I don't actually know where they are. Hopefully they turn up soon, because I really want to compare them and see how much super actually matters compared to last gen. When can we expect Alan over five, I review and do you think it's going to be a big performance boost compared to the Wi Fi 40? Well, we'll. Never have already announced that they're bringing up those new models, including the 5i in May so, I'm. Waiting for that at the moment I haven't been in contact with them and I've asked if I could get a model in advance to do the review and you know, publish the review day. One sort of thing, but unfortunately it doesn't seem like that's going to be possible. So what I have to wait for is until they start actually shipping those laptops out from the factory to customers. I think that's as soon as I mean as soon as they're, going to be able to get one to send to me if that doesn't happen, I'll probably just end up buying them myself. I mean I've done that with the L 340, the Y 540, the Y 530 and the Y 7000 I mean fact, is whatever laptops are just cheap in my region and a lot of you want to see them. So if they're not going to send them to me and probably just going to buy them anyway, as for a big performance boost, my guess is probably not I mean it depends mostly on the changes with the GPU.
So you know there are all those things that Nvidia said, like dynamic, bursts, more power, efficient memory, that kind of thing, so those will probably add some improvement. But at the same time I don't think, like the Intel side of things is really gon na offer. As much of a change compared to ninth gen, CPUs haven't really tested that out failure, but I don't think it's gon na be you know, like anything too crazy there on that side of things at least, there is of course, features like advanced optimist. That'S meant to be in the 5. I I don't think that will affect performance because most of the Lenovo gaming laptops select the five Wi Fi 40, or why 740? They already give you the option to disable Optimus, which gives you that same speed boost. I mean advanced Optimus is obviously taking things to the next level and it's a much nicer feature but yeah. I don't expect that to really give it a performance boost how the upcoming laptops more worth. It then build the PC with the same budget, so laptop versus PC. I think it's always pretty much going to come down to whether or not you need portability or you don't. If you need portability, then go laptop if you don't need portability. Well, I probably look at buying a PC instead generally, not always, but you can get more performance per dollar it's, not always the case, but there are definitely other like factors into this.
But to me it comes down to whether or any portability or not as for whether or not the upcoming laptops are more worth it. I don't think there's that big of a jump compared to like last gen, especially on the Intel side, it seems pretty small. On the AMD side, there is a much larger jump from 3000 series to 4000 series, but at the same time, like you know, AMD on the desktop is doing quite well. There you can get up to the ' 50 X with 16 calls. So you know exactly Limited, so I don't think it really is. I think the new stuff changes it that much asou stuff a 15 and a 17 when and why the system crash when lowering the settings in demanding games HS series. So from what I've seen a lot of retailers here in Australia are gon na start selling the a 15 and a 17 on 1st of May, I think it was now. I was planning on buying one but Tim from Hardware. Unboxed actually imported one from the US and has been reviewing that at the moment and has actually been nice enough to send that over to me. I haven't sent it yet because he's still testing it, but once he's done with it, I should be able to get it, and I should be able to do my full review and game benchmarks and thermal testing all that sort of stuff. So just waiting for that to get sent from him as for the system crush I'm, not sure what exactly that's referring to is that, like a common problem with a 15? If I experienced it during my testing, I'll definitely point it out, but I haven't heard of that.
So far myself, I was thinking if Rison 4000 is a CPU that can handle heavy usage for a long time. In other words, is it a CPU that I can count on the next five years? Five years is a long time and I really hate the future proof term, but it depends what you're doing like if you, if it's multi core performance factors, the rising options, are offering excellent performance for the money today. So you know when comparing to what's available up there, you could spend a lot more money to get a comparable Intel system with up to eight cores or you can spend less to get like a 4900 HS which will you know, perform better I'll use less power. All the things I pointed out in my 1400 HS verse, ten, eight, seven, five, eight comparison, video, so, whichever one of those you go for, I don't think there's going to be that big of a difference one way or the other. You know years from now. It probably depends more on just how much you want to spend today, so I think you could spend less on a risin 4000 laptop today, compared to a more expensive Intel system and I'd probably expect them to like lost similar amount in terms of longevity, at least In terms of the CPU, because the Intel based laptops are currently paired with more powerful GPUs, so it depends what you're doing like if you're gaming, you might want that more powerful GPU.
So you might want to spend more money to get the Intel system. All you might want to wait until present 4000 is available with more powerful GPUs whenever that is ba, it's really hard to predict this sort of stuff, but I would say, like an eight core, isin 4000 series, CPU probably has a pretty good shot of you know Getting you through five years, when is the second wave of Intel and AMD laptops coming well, not too sure, but I have heard that a lot of companies like a seuss and Lenovo they're, bringing up their models in May so hopefully around. Then I haven't heard too much about new AMD laptops. I think the new msi – bravo 15, with Rison 4000 and possibly 5600 M – might be coming out. Late May there's supposed to be the Dell g5 special edition, which was meant to come out in April, but it's almost the end of April now, and I haven't heard any updates on that. They did say that at CES in January, before all of the virus issues happened, so I can only assume that's been delayed, but haven't heard anything there yet, but yeah. I think I think the sort of May time frame is when we're supposed to see a lot more stuff, but at the same time, it also seems, like things are just constantly trickling out over the months and all sorts of things have been disrupted due to those Virus issues, as I mentioned so probably just have to wait and see how much of a performance uplift do you think we can expect from Gd dr 6, lpg d, dr 6 transition in a laptop so not actually sure what lpddr3 lpg d dr 6, is.
I have searched for it and there was almost no results in google, so I'm, not sure if that's something that's new or announced or haven't heard of it but I'm going to assume you're talking about the low powered memory that Nvidia mentioned they're using in their current Graphics for laptops, so basically what they said is that if you have an a what max q GPU and approximately 20 watts of that will go to the memory. So if you have lower pallet memory, then you've got more power available within your power budget to send to the GPU core and that's, going to give you more performance in games. So, basically, more efficient memory equals better performance by having more power to push towards the GPU core. Now they didn't actually say how much of that power is going to go to the GPU course. They didn't say what sort of improvements the memory is giving them. So we kind of need to like wait and see and test that ourselves, but at the same time, it's going to be hard to test for, because they've made other improvements with the new graphics as well, which might slightly change things like dynamic boost. I mean I guess we can turn that feature off, but also all of these new in video laptop graphics options are launching at the same time as until 10th, gen, so we're, probably not going to get like a 9th gen laptop pet with the new Nvidia graphics.
It'S only going to be new Nvidia graphics with Intel 10th gen and although the difference between 9th gen and 10th gen is probably pretty small, that is still a difference. That'S going to come into play when we try to test and compare like old last gen, say: 2060 versed a new 2060 with the more efficient memory so I'm interested to try it out. But yeah just need to get some laptops and hope that I can do a fair comparison. Hey Jared big fan thanks! Is it ok to ask what inspired to make high quality videos? Well? I'M? Glad you think the high quality honestly I'm? Not exactly sure. I guess I always kind of wanted to make like tech reviews I actually made like a website like more than ten years ago. I never did anything with it like I pretty much just registered the domain and thought hey would be called the review tech stuff. This was like a long time before you know there were like popular YouTube channels doing it. I just thought it'd be interesting, as I saw all the websites out there doing it, but I never really got into it and yeah. I guess. Basically, what happened is one night I just couldn't sleep and I was just thinking about it and I end up getting out of bed like 3 a.m. where I just did the channel name and all that stuff and got it going and yeah just ever since then, Being working on it, it's been good fun be out.
I only I've always wanted to do it pretty much and YouTube has just been a really good way to pretty much do what I wanted to do a long time ago with the website that I never ended up getting running and yet to be known. Good. Ever since 4800 H verse, 30 700 X laptops, which one would you prefer and why so Todd does say because there's not that many of either at the moment. Realistically, I like the idea of a 3700 X laptop more mainly because it's the m4 socket. So I could put in you know, potentially a '00 – maybe a ' 50 X, if there's enough power for it. I might have to run it in Eco mode, but still could be a good option if you need the multi core performance. So that would probably be my preference just from an upgrade ability perspective. And if the laptop OAM supports, like BIOS updates in the future. For say, the next gen of Rison desktop chips. There'S the potential for upgrading there I mean it's, a bit of an unknown could be a risk because you have no idea of whoever's making. The laptop is going to offer that sort of support down the track, but yeah that'd be what I would be leaning towards. Personally, our clever based laptops, reliable in my experience yeah, I haven't had any problems with them. The first laptop I ever covered on the channel was the P 650 re, I think, and but I saw I was using that at my last job before I went into YouTube full time and I had been using that thing for three and a half years, like Every day in the office so eight hours a day, I didn't turn it off.
So it was always on my desk in the office running 247. I took it on like international trips, banged it up it's. It held up perfectly fine after three and a half years. So, based on my personal experience, I'd say they're pretty reliable. Obviously that could vary by model. Obviously there are definitely you know duds with everything. Nothing is perfect, there's, always going to be failure rates that sort of thing that yeah. In my experience, the unit I had was quite reliable and it lasted very well tough, a 15 review well, as mentioned swainton for Hardware on box to Senator bar. What does your personal setup look like when you're, not testing laptops? Well, pretty much it's, just this room? The only difference is this white table sitting in front of me is kind of pushed up against that wall over there that's, where I'd film most of my b roll that's, really pretty much it. Otherwise. I sit right here at my computer that's right Eddy bill. The videos table on the side here is usually a bit of a mess I usually put like you know, a laptop there that I'm testing desktop might be sitting there. I'Ve got another one of these monitors just off screen anything you can see. So second, one of them got my nas over here bunch of tools and stuff over there that I regularly use for testing I don't know. Maybe I should do a room tour video, let me know, is it worth buying RT x, 2070 with 10th gen, where you're unable to under fort or better, to get ninth gen on primary, much cheaper and lower temps, so it's a good question.
I guess it comes down to well for me it would come down to whether or not the graphics was saying 2070 super, because there's probably going to be a fair improvement due to that can't. Remember off the top of my head: if they're still selling non super xx 70s, I think they might be. It was definitely max Q. Well, if it's max Q, it probably max P as well, alright let's say forget the super it's, just the CPU difference. Personally, I wouldn't care that much about under vaulting. I don't actually do it that much myself, mainly because when I'm editing, video and it's like 400 a.m. and I've been up all night like, I really take my laptop when I'm at like CSS or Computex. That kind of thing to edit videos when it's like 400 a.m. and I've been you know busy all day. The last thing I want is my stuff to crash during an export, and you know I could tune it and get it stable, but you know end of the day I'm, not saving myself, that much like I'm, forgetting that much extra performance in the video exporting side Of things, so I personally bother with it just because I prefer the stability so for me it wouldn't matter, but at the same time I don't think 10th gen is really offering. You know that much extra performance there are also some laptops that do still seem to have under halting support like the msi gs70 laptop.
You can enable XTU through the bios or just on the valta through the bios. So you might just have to look at a case by case basis, which laptops still do support the feature. Otherwise I would look at the CPU benchmarks of 9th Jennifer's temperature of what you're getting if the difference isn't all that much then yeah 9th Journal laptop. If you can get a good deal, that sounds pretty good to me: can you make under bolting tutorials for each CPU? Also GPU under vault videos would be greatly appreciated by us, it's, very informative and interesting in the laptop community. So the reason I haven't done under bolting videos in the past is, I just think there are better videos out there available, like Bob of all trades, does a really good job anytime. Anyone in the comments ask me ask me about under vaulting. I just link his videos. He does an excellent job of showing you how to do it and explaining it already. I don't think there's any need to do an under vaulting tutorial for each CPU, because the general principle is basically the same once you know what the settings do in X to you or throttle stop. You know you can apply that, regardless of if it's a 9th gen i 7 or 8th, gen, i5 or whatever it's, basically the same sort of thing. So once you know how to do it, yeah it doesn't matter and it's, not like you're gon na get a better under for an i5 or some specific laptop.
So I don't think there needs to be a guide for a specific, laptop or CPU because it varies by chip realistically. So, even if I have an i5 – and I say here's how to tune this – i 5 perfectly and it works great for me that might not work for you at all. The undervolt might be way too aggressive, or maybe you could push yours further, so it really varies by hardware. So, in the end, you need to work out how to do do it at a basic level, which again Bob does an excellent, excellent tutorial on and once you know how to do that, you just need to play with it. Experiment find out what's stable for you. How important is the CPU while gaming? Is it true that GPU can underperform if, coupled with the CPU, that is limited in terms of power yeah? That is true. So if the CPU is, you know not performing well or it's way too low, the GP is too high, you could potentially be CPU. Bottlenecked it'll depend on the game and the workload or whatever you're running but yeah. If the CPUs too weak and the GPU is, you know way more powerful, you could potentially be limiting the GPU there. As for how important the CPU is well gaming for 1080p, I think it's actually quite important, at least in terms of clock speed. So when I did the I 5 verse i7 comparison, the difference was actually pretty minimal much less than I thought it would be.
So it seems that a lot of the games, or at least the 15 games, have regularly tests don't benefit too much going from the jump from four calls to six cores, so that might change in the future or probably will but yeah. So the CPU is important, but I don't think the core count is making too big of a difference in many titles. At the moment. Generally, you know if you get, I think most, I five laptops that really seem to be paired with anything above a twenty sixty but I've seen at least. Let me know if I'm wrong there, but I think, like an i 5 2060 is probably okay. I'Ve never had that combination, I've had an i 5 1660 ti and that seemed to perform fine I've only seen I sevens with like 20 70 s and above so that's. Probably why and from what I've seen you know. That seems to keep the GPU fed pretty. Well, without many issues also is a better longer lasting to have a poor CPU with twenty sixty or six core CPU with 20 70. I think it depends what you're doing like I just mentioned. I didn't see much difference in the games. I test today with 4 cores versus six cores, so six cores versus eight cores probably not really going to be that much of a difference. But if you do like other multi core workloads outside of gaming, then that eight core CPU might definitely be worth it.
Otherwise, if it's for gaming personally, I probably just carry the six call with the 2017 what's, your favorite overall gaming laptop, which one do you recommend for casual gamers and why so my guarantor? You feel like the 1000 price point like 1200. U.S. dollars is generally the ASA Helios 300 it's, cheering very well out of the box and just performs really good for the money. Otherwise, lenovo y40 is also pretty good, as I showed in my comparison, video it's possible to get that actually outperforming the Helios slightly because the Wi Fi 40 lets you disable the Intel I GPU, and that can give you a boost in some games so either one Of those, it just depends on the price in your region like in America, I'm. Pretty sure the Helios is cheaper, not by much maybe a hundred dollars or sir. I think here in Australia there for memory. The Helios is like 500 more expensive than the Y 540. So pretty easy recommendation here, at least today for the Y 540, especially if you're willing to give it the GPU, overclock and CPU under vault that Helios has out of the box and then it'll be quite competitive. What is the best laptop for everything battery life gaming? Studying editing, you know personally, for that I'd be looking at something like electronics, mag, 15 or maybe gigabyte or 15. Both of those have big batteries. You know good performance, everything about the crisco like a good feature set like SD card Thunderbolt Mac keyboard.
In the case of the mag big batteries think I said that but yeah otherwise msi ge62 6 back there, you know: it's got a big battery to 99.9 watt hours, also Thunderbolt a lot of features, some good options out there at the moment, bi, probably looking at One of those first two will you be able to get Zephyrus and 15 this year last year I was looking forward to your view, that's their gu 502 right. I think that's what it is so for some reason: the GU, 502 wasn't sold in Australia, and I asked a sous for it and you know they just said it's not sold in Australia. Sorry, I would have thought they would have. You know maybe imported one or borrowed one from overseas or something, but I don't know it just seems weird, like Australia is only 4 of the people that actually watched the channel. So it seems weird to limit. You know what they're going to send me based purely on that so yeah I don't know if the m15 is going to be sold here. I guess it'll depend on that and, if it's not sold here, then I might just have to try and ask a bit harder than last time and see what I can do. Hey man. I would like to know the duration of your thermal testing. I was actually thinking of doing like a blog post on this on the charrids don't tech website, or something because that aren't actually documented anywhere.
I mean I've answered this question a few times when people ask it in the comments but um here we Gary. This is how I do my thermal testing. Basically, I get the laptop and I send it on this white table against that wall and I let it run idle for like an hour to begin with. Then I that's what I do so I get my idle temperatures. First, so once it's been sitting there for an hour, I'll record the CPU and GPU temperatures, I'll film, the keyboard deck with the thermal camera and, at the same time I'll also use the sound meter. I have and work out how loud it is and then once I've got the idle results. I'Ll run my stress tests, so I'll get a 264 and heav'n benchmark running at the same time, and then at that point all honestly, usually I just forget about it for like an hour minimum 30 minutes like I just I just let it get full heat soak. Don'T touch it at all, I'll, just like turn back over here and work on something else and forget that it's even doing that, once bull heat soak has taken place, you know usually well within 30 minutes. I have hardware and for opened during this whole time. So I click the little stopwatch icon in hardware info and that resets the timer and then I just let it go for another half an hour, so that's, one of them actually below my test and then after half an hour.
Whatever settings I'm running and whatever fan speed, then I'll come back and I'll do the same again: roll use, a thermal camera on the keyboard and the sound meter tool to get the fan volume and then I'll take the hardware info information down. So at that point, it's been 30 minutes to get full heat soak then 30 minutes to get that data. Then I'll change the settings so like I might adjust the fan or apply an under volt or something and then I'll. Let it go for another half vanilla. So, basically, any time on my temperature graph, where I've got like a bar with the CPU and GPU that's 30 minutes of testing. So if I've got like you know a laptop with the fans and quiet murdered, then normal nerd and turbo mode that an under volt then a cooling pad, and that I think I said five things there. So that would be two and a half hours of stress tests that's all while maintaining the ambient room temperature. You can see, but I've got air conditioning put in a few months ago, so I can keep the ambient room temperature the same during all of my testing, regardless of what time of the year it is, and once the stress tests are done, I get straight into The gaming tests, so I don't like the laptop cooldown at all, so I take advantage of that full heat soak and for the gaming tests.
I only do 10 to 15 minutes per test run and that's simply because it's a lot easier to do. The stress tests for half an hour and work on something else doing half an hour for each game is a bit infeasible and honestly, once I've done the stress, testing first and I get into the games, I don't see any difference after like 10 or 15 minutes. Anyway, so I think that's perfectly fine and that's, basically how I do it so that takes you know a few hours for each laptop that I test like 4 or 5 hours. Easy no problem depends on how many settings I want to test all the fan options available. So generally, I try test as many as possible, so it can take the best part of most of a day to get that done. So this question is a bit confusing. I think there might be some confusion about what the overclocking is actually doing. So if you are overclocking say your 1660 TR here in this instance by a hundred megahertz and then also doing 350 megahertz, although the software might be reporting that it's running higher, you might find that it's not actually doing that. So you'll probably be power limit rattling. The whole way, regardless of whatever clock you put in place, those clock speeds might not actually being getting hit, regardless of what the software says. So I would look at the like an actual benchmark of running a game and see if the FPS is actually up or not because boffin they're not.
I found that you know you can boost the the overclock pretty high and the software is happy to be like yeah I'm running super high, but that's not actually the case at all, so that's mainly why I don't mess around with overclocks too often like I usually Do one overclock test in my review just with like some, you know I plus one 50 megahertz on the core 300 megahertz on the memory I think it's. What I usually use so I think, can run that okay, but yeah. I haven't really played around too much with tuning it and setting different speeds in like MSI Afterburner. I don't think you're really going to be able to get the graphics running at the same on two different machines. Realistically, clock speeds going to come down to quite a few variables, whether that be like the cooling and how GPU boost works or just even what game is running and where you are in that game and what's happening. I think this is a lot of factors too. So that a comparison like this would be pretty difficult to do family. What are your expected performance for risin, 5, 4600 H, and will you be reviewing villain over 5 AMD variant, as mentioned in an earlier question? Yes, I'll be getting those Lenovo's, although not actually sure, if they're sending Intel or AMD at the moment, I'll try and loss for both I mean I want all of them, whichever they don't send.
I might just have to buy the others, because it seems like a lot of people want to see those so see what I can do. That I'm also confused about one thing where some youtubers said: Legion 5 comes with gtx 660ti max, but some said there is also 2060 model, so that could vary by region. That'S definitely happened in the past, where, like one country might go to some graphics option and the other might be lower in the press. Release I'm, pretty sure I did see RT X 2060 listed with the AMD variant, so some people were initially reporting 1650 Ti at the max. So maybe the press releases even differ by country, but yeah. I did see some screenshots showing RT X 2060 with AMD sir. It looks like that's gon na be happening, at least in some regions. As for the 4600 H performance, yeah, really not sure about that. I really want to get it and test it and find out, especially to see how it compares against, say the i7 9750 H or even the 10 750 H, whatever. That is great names thanks the only people we've seen from the other rise in 4000 machines. You know I'm expecting probably better performance than the Intel counterparts. That just seems to be the way this generation is going. Yeah really came to see by how much that differences, and you know things like powered roll, what the differences all that compared to Intel thermals – and you know just how much performance again – Dola upcoming resin 4000 laptops I'm guessing you're, asking like what I've got coming.
He had to test other than that a 15 from Hardware boxed, as I mentioned earlier, nothing at the moment is really locked in there's. Just nothing there's not much not much on the way. I'M, not really sure why that is probably with the virus issues delaying things but yeah. Nothing is really confirmed at the moment. I think I mentioned before I might be getting the horizon. 4000 MSI. Bravo, 15 late in May, but that's still a while away. What a lot of stuff could change by then there's, those lenovo AMD laptops coming out in May, so if they don't send those, I might end up buying them myself be other than those. I don't really have much plan at the moment and that's just because no one's really reached out to be like hey we've got these new AMD laptops. We want to send you so I don't know if there's like a shortage or what the deal is. Mr. Wayne, you get the g15, I considered importing it from the US, but it was just like super expensive, so I didn't do that so yeah. I just have to wait and see what we got. When will you review and test electronics refresh with the 10th gen CPU, I hurt max 15 and Max 17 I'm excited for that. Honestly just depends if electronics want to send those over so it's, probably pretty expensive for them to ship from the u.s. to me. Just to review so I would understand if they didn't want to send those, but you know if they offer them up I'm, more than happy to say yes, sir, it just depends whether or not they want to send them over.
Could you make a video explaining all AMD CPUs? You know like that capabilities, energy, consumption and other stuff, like those, please also make a comparison between AMD and Intel. Cpus I'm still new in those stuff and Intel CPU of the only thing I know making a comparison will help me understand AMD CPUs metal, so I definitely want to do a lot of comparisons. Thought I've done a lot already. Honestly, I think I'm. You know just spamming comparisons at this point, because I don't have that many laptops to review I'm finally getting through the backlog of comparisons that I've wanted to make and with all the new hardware coming out, there's, even more comparisons to make so there's. Unlimited comparisons, for the time being, I do want to get more aim D CPUs, so I can do that, like I still haven't had any rise in 5 or Rison 7 laptops. Hopefully those will be coming soon and I can do comparisons there and yeah. I think would be a good idea, like once I've gotten all the Rison and CPUs to do like one video and be like you know, here's how the five performs here's the seven here's, the nine that type of stuff, so yeah I'm, definitely considered doing that once I'Ve had them all for testing. I know the toilets flush, the opposite direction down there. The fans spin backwards to yes, because they're upside down, so everything is the opposite. What is the percentage improvement? We can expect from RGB lighting on performance over 9000 percent, minimum om shanthi higher end GPUs ped, with rice on CPUs, not to mention poor corner cutting in models like the G, 15 and poor panels on the a 15 highlighted by other laptop reviewers, but live all Trades and onal disowned regarding Intel options for the same price as a 15 one could buy maybe a Helios 300 which has a better screen and probably better cooling, then more expensive G 15.
What'S. Your take on how OMS are approaching rising laptops. This seemingly budget to mid range with no equivalent options at the high end, so it is pretty interesting, so I have actually heard from AMD that with Rison 4000 they're, essentially targeting high volume laptops, select the low to mid range stuff. So from that perspective, from what I understood it doesn't seem like they think there's anything funny going on in terms of like no laptops being paired with higher Nvidia graphics, which I thought that was pretty interesting. I would have thought AMD might have said something different, but that wasn't the case sounds like we might be getting those higher and laptops later and I kind of get it from these companies like. If you are a company – and you know, you've made a rise in 3000 laptop that's honestly let's face it. Probably hasn't sold that well and then Rison 4000 comes along. You, probably you know you might want to just dip your toe in a little and see what the markets like with you know, one or two laptops before going. You know full crazy, here's, our new lineup with all of these super expensive products that only you know, like 5 of the markets gon na buy so before, jumping in doing that, you probably want to test. You know the smaller or something that's, probably going to sell, see what demands like and now that I think a lot of these companies have seen this big for a risin, full thousand they're, probably going to start creating some of those higher and enthusiast products.
But it takes time, so I can kind of understand why they might you know, have started out slowly and then start ramping things up, but that makes sense to me at the same time there. It also is a bit strange or interesting that not a single company has, you know paired like say a twenty. Seventy with a 4100 H, I feel like if someone you know just have the guts to do that. Initially, they would had such a unique product. That would have been basically unmatched for like value and performance for months. So yes, it's, interesting, that it doesn't exist. But you know I have been looking into this and from what I've personally heard it doesn't sound like there's anything suspicious going on like in terms of you know, in video, only seeing high end GPUs can only be Intel. I mean that could something like that could be happening, but at least from what I've heard from AMD it doesn't sound like they think that's happening in the current market. Are there any portable gaming laptops that don't thermal throttle had the GX 502 and msi ge62? The GS 66 also seems to have that same problem, so my personal opinion is that a lot of people are way too sensitive when it comes to thermals the GX 502. I kind of understand that is definitely a hot machine, especially if you've had it with the 2070 that gets pretty hot. I mean that's a lot of power and a thin thin package.
I mean it's kind of expected GS. 65. I did test that might have thermal throttled before like under vaulting and boosting fan speeds GS. 66 back here definitely did thermal throttle before making tweaks honestly, I think that's, just how it's going to be. I mean you might not want to hear that, but the fact is, if a company making a laptop, has this product and there's thermal Headroom available they're, not just gon na cap it and let it run at 70 degrees, they're, gon na pump, more power and get More performance make their product look, better it'll perform better in games, and you know the internals might get hotter, but as long as it's not like on file like the Dell g5 at a hundred degrees, it's – probably not going to be the end of the world. So I think a lot of people just sensitive at say 90 degrees and they think, oh, my god, I don't want to pass 80 or 70 or whatever arbitrary number they've selected. So I don't think it's that bad I mean some laptops, like gigabyte, have a 90 degree thermal limit. I think that's, pretty fair, realistically you're, probably only going to be hitting that during heavy multi core workload like with perhaps the CPU and GPU active. So it also comes down to what you're actually running, but I think thermal throttling for the most part isn't as bad as a lot of people make it out to be, I mean, obviously, you want to try and get more performance, but you know, I think, that's Just how one of these a lot of the products currently are they just they run hot it's, not ideal? There are things we can do like under vaulting, although that might be.
You know getting taken away from us with temp gen that uh yeah. There are improvements that can be made, but at the same time kinda is what it is and if it doesn't thermal throttle, then it's probably going to be power limit throttling instead, so it's kind of like pick your poison, I guess so. You may be the power limit of the laptop that you're seeking is just me capped down so that it can't perform high and doesn't run caught up. I mean: is that what you're? After? Do you want it to perform like worse, because they visually capped it and it's not going to run as hot? I guess there are some laptops out there that have lower power limits, but yeah personally, I would just take the slightly hotter machine turn it a bit. If possible and take the better performance but that's me, if I only game no video, editing, no Photoshop, no content creation as such, then we'll Intel i7 10gen would be a deal breaker for me. Should I consider an AMD laptop solely for gaming? Will there be any difference in gaming between AMD and Intel chip, even in the future? So I think I've kind of mentioned this. In a previous question, I haven't had the chance to fairly compare an AMD, laptop and interrupt up with the same JP. You yeah I've talked to someone who has done preliminary testing, they're testing, they're. Sorry and it sounds like surf ball.
The difference isn't, actually that much it seems like outside of gaming AMD is like way ahead, but in actual games they're. Actually, you know neck and neck fairly, close so I'm still yet to see that myself, because I haven't had testing but yeah from what I've heard it's, not all that different, so probably come down to price differences like if there's an AMD laptop that's if it's cheaper Than an Intel option, then you know that might be good. It also depends what products there are because factors at the moment there are just more laptops available with Intel CPUs. So for gaming. At the moment, it doesn't appear that it matters that much but still keen to get in and test that for myself, all companies finally put more work into their thermals. Now that under vaulting is disabled, you know I really don't think it's gon na change. Much if anything, a lot of companies have already been resorting to all sorts of esoteric methods for quite a while. Now, like you know, a source of started, putting components behind the back of the screen. They'Ve got the Zephyrus series which, like lifts off the bottom companies, start putting vents above the keyboard there's like the Helios 300 with the keyboard that slides off to let you know things, get cool, there's, all sorts of crazy things like that, and I think all of These things have only really been necessary since, like until 8th gen, when they added we're going from four cores to six cores so because the architectures just being the same for so long, but they keep pumping up clock speeds.
The only way to hit those speeds is with more power and without any efficiency improvements. We'Re gon na get more heat, so people are quick to blame companies for the reason these laptops are running hot and that may be fair in some cases, I'm sure there are definitely some. You know chassis out there that is garbage compared to others, but at the same time I recognize that there's only so much they can do in a confined space, and you know that's that's. Basically, it they're a lot of them are already trying to do all sorts of unique things, and you know that adds cost, especially with like research and development, to get all these weird techniques in to make them cooler yeah, I don't I don't. I don't think it's really going to change much and the fact that under vaulting is locked in a lot of 10th. Gen models is a bit sad. I like, with this GS 66 back here, for instance, that you can at least the user, does still have the option to enable under vaulting, so by default, it's locked, but at least you can still turn it on. If you have to take those risks. Otherwise, it would be good to see companies instead move to allowing that through the BIOS perhaps might be a little more dangerous giving user access to that. So instead, I think what the GS 66 does is a good option. Lets you just enable X to you through the BIOS, then you have that usual familiar software interface, so I think that would probably be, I hope, that's what we see more of that sort of thing.
I think company is already pushing what they can do in terms of improving the thermals inside I mean there are obviously more things they can do like say Isis with their 10th Gen they're starting to liquid metal, so others could get on board that bandwagon but yeah. I think we're coming to a point when there's, probably not that much, they can do without like an architecture, change that improves efficiency and even when we get such a change. I'M still pretty sure, like I said before, if this thermal had remove ailable they're going to take advantage of it to get max performance that's just the way it is. How do we know that the laptop has the max Q GPU variant in websites since most of them, don't mention it. That is a great question and I really hate it when companies and don't mention it, so they have gotten a little better at doing this. It varies widely by company but yeah. Basically, you really can't tell and it sucks it's it's crap. They should list if it's max Q or not otherwise the best way is try and look up a review of the product. Hopefully the reviewer has mentioned whether or not it's max here, ideally what power limit it runs up. So I mentioned that in all of my videos yeah, I think that's the best way to do it, try and find a good review for the product. Did you know that g14 screen has 40 millisecond delay? So I wanted to address this because a lot of people mentioned it ever since I did the g14 review, so I don't mention response times in my videos, because I don't have the tools available to test that and fact is while testing twenty games on the g14.
I thought it looked perfectly fine, you know obviously that's subjective, perhaps I'm, just my eyes, just not very sensitive to like very sting and that kind of thing. So I wasn't able to find that out until everyone, else's g14 reviews went. You know public. At the same time as mine, and I saw like nurple check and stuff – you know that response time and they showed that it was much higher than most other laptops. So that was how I found out about that. But obviously that meant I wasn't able to put it in my review, and it also pointed out to me you know the fact that I can't just looking at it isn't good enough, so I did actually recently spend 500 buying all of the hardware needed so that I can test screen response time, so I bought like an oscilloscope and a photo detector. So hopefully I can get that set up and I'll be able to do some proper gray.gray response time testing in future laptop reviews, 4900 HS or i 910 gen, which is best for video editing software's like Premiere Pro. So I wanted to answer this because basically the the landscape there is getting flipped on its head in a way. So, a few weeks ago, I would have answered this question saying that the Intel option is better because you get quick sync, I showed in my 4900 HS verse, 10. 8. 7. 5 H, video that the Intel chip does much better.
Do two quick sync, however, with premiere 14 point two, which is currently in beta, they add Nvidia and banks support, so you can use the invent encoder on the Nvidia graphics card. Now what that means is that basically quick sync, I I'm not sure if it gets used in addition to end of Inc, but either way from the benchmarks that I saw from Puget systems. The invent in Caradog gives you a big performance boost compared to using quick. Sync, so once that new version of premieres up I'm not sure what it is, but it's in beta so probably not too far away, I don't think the CPU is going to make anywhere near as much of a difference as it used to. If both of these options have eight CPU cores and they both have nvidia graphics paired with them and can take advantage of n vank, i think either would be a very compelling option and they'll probably perform quite closely so it's. Definitely a space to watch it's, currently evolving. At the moment, your videos are the best Jared thanks. Is there any way to add VR performance on your laptop tests, so I do actually have a VR headset coming in soon so I'm doing a video on that, and hopefully I get to keep that so I can use it to do future. Vr testing I'm. Just waiting to get confirmation, whether all that be possible but that's, why I'm getting it in? I want to add VR testing to the laptop reviews.
So hopefully I can get that and I can get set up with VR and add those benchmarks in I'm working on it. Yes, wait and see. Does the newest soo stuff a 15 have free sync orgy sync, it says adaptive sync, but what does that mean? Other reviewers seem to mention it, but never go into detail as to what adaptive sync is. It also seems that only select models of the a 15 support, the adaptive sync thing, so adaptive sync is basically just unbranded free single j, sync, so same technology, I'm. Pretty sure every risin 4000 laptop should be able to offer free sync, I mean it would depend, but basically the way that works is you have the laptop screen and it's connected to the Vega GPU in the AMD processor, and then that might be connected to the Nvidia GPU or radeon GPU, if it has one but it's, that Vega eye GPU connected to the screen. That is able to do the free sync so that's, why you can have like say the a 15 with Nvidia graphics. But the screen can still do free sync because it can expire, the Vega graphics, so I don't think I've seen any rise in 4000 laptops, yet that don't offer free sync because that's just a really cool thing, they're able to do with the Vega a GPU. If there was an AMD laptop that I didn't use the Vega graphics and the screen was connected directly to Nvidia, I could see that as not having it, but outside of that, I would expect them to do free sync, wherever possible, which is your personal laptop and Which one do you think you'll shift to in the future, so I don't think you can really see it, but just off camera here is my gigabyte error.
15X. So I use that for video editing. I want to see if I was going to change today. It'S hard to say, based on what I just mentioned about Premiere, changing QuickSync is going to be much less important within Vinc, so I could see myself getting an AMD based laptop. It would just depend if they, if any companies actually come out with an AMD based laptop. That has the things I need so good screen. Sd card reader big battery at the moment, there's not really like a AMD laptop for creators type of thing. So if I wanted something right now, I'd probably either be looking at the new or LED arrow 15, with an 8 core Intel, CPU or maybe electronics, mag 15, because it really like that so I've got a similar feature set no LED screen there, which is unfortunate. But still overall good machine good features, see if I needed something today, probably those otherwise. Hopefully my error – 15x doesn't, you know let it last for a while longer and I can hold out and get a nice AMD, create a laptop it'd, be interesting to see if something like that exists with Intel disabling under volting, with their tenth general AMD. Finally, allow under bolting – so I talked about this in a previous QampA video, with Tim at Harper, unboxed AMD basically said under vaulting. You know it's possible. Someone just needs to make the software to do it and doesn't seem like they are willing to provide that.
At the same time, a MIDI also said their chips. You know tuned very well in terms of the power curve, so you might not get as much performance out of being able to under bolt an AMD CPU compared to Intel that's, just a guess, based on what AMD said, but yeah it's it's interesting that Intel having To lock that, so, if someone comes around and does software for the AMD side and then suddenly AMD can do that and then the roles reversed well, it's it's, just it's it'll be interesting. Let'S put it that way. Given we have 300 Hertz displays now. Do you think it's feasible for you to stop measuring total input latency, maybe with a 1000 FPS camera or something similar, so that kind of is tied in to what I mentioned earlier with the response time testing so I'll definitely be getting response time testing in terms Of a thousand FPS camera like it's it's, not even close the amount of granularity the tools I've bought can test like they test in, like the nanosecond range and a thousand FPS is just like nowhere near that so that's good for testing the screen response time, but That wouldn't really be useful for me to test the total input. Latency so say from the moment. You click on the touchpad and something happens on the screen so I'm. Not sure how I would do something like that 1000 FPS camera might be OK to get a rough estimate, but yeah not sure how I'd be doing that for now.
Let'S, just wait till get up and running with the response, time testing and then from there I'll I'll see if I want to introduce total input latency as well. Well, that's the end of the questions, or at least the ones I'm going to get through on this video. Unfortunately, there were over 200 questions and I've already been filming for an hour. I think I've addressed the top up voted once so. Hopefully, you guys found this video interesting. Let me know if you have further questions, leave them on the video and I'll do my best to answer them.